Criticism For The Newly Released (Changelog Map) From A Builder

Discussion in 'Prison General Discussion' started by Spiriten, Sep 3, 2020.

  1. Spiriten

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    Hi there, I build a bit and play a lot of prison. I've been excited for the new season, and despite no new custom enchants / pickaxe enchants being added [ :( ] I was excited to see that the new spawn was shown. It was short lived though. The map is generally bad quality and can be improved majorly. I do not believe that this map is worthy of payment in the current state, as per server and quality concerns it should have had some changes done. Here is a criticism, explaining what I found wrong and circling where it offends that. https://imgur.com/a/i9uCNFs

    (Captions wrote out in case theyre hard to read)
    Orange: Half Of A Map Copy N Pasted. Not Bad, Just Not Super Pay-Worthy Professional.
    Pink: U-Shaped Map Without Much Width Causes A HUGE Chokepoint.
    Light Blue: Inconsistent Vegetation.
    Dark Blue: Double Tall Sugarcane. May Block Hits.
    Light Yellowish: Shoot Someone Into Water To Make Them Stuck.
    Brown: Have Bad Slab Lag? Just Add More Slabs Into Combat!

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    If any of you have any opinions to share, Id love to hear em. Just as a Prison player n builder its kinda triggering that this map was used.
     
  2. ImRex

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    To me this is great. I agree with it all except for the U-Shaped map part. This is going to be great. I main prison, played since season 1, and I have always pvped. I hate it when people just run in circles around the map and just be annoying like that. If you are in pvp, expect to be attacked and PLEASE fight back. Anyways, this is a great way to prevent that whole running thing. This is just my opinion and I have nothing against yours.
     
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  3. KierenBoal

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    Good points; forwarded it on.
     
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  4. Ahnxious

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    I dont like change. I am excited for restarting though, and nice constructive criticism.
     
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    In my personal opinion i think that the new map is a little bit too similar to the season 7 map. The main spawn area looks pretty much the same with the only real difference being the block pallet, It would have been a lot more interesting to see the map change a little more. I also think the pvp area should still loop around in a circle as it makes pvp more interesting. Something else that would have been nice would have been some structures that player's could hide in (Much like the tree's you could clime up in season 6's pvp area) as it was highly requested by the player base. Land marks would have also been a good addition (Structures or easy to identify area's) as players could use them when fighting and over all would make the map a little more interesting. The new map looks rather small as well which can make it quite boring to pvp in.

    That's Just my opinion though!
     
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  6. Swinger

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    I agree with your points about the sugarcane, water, and slab lag. Prison has a history of being laggy, and there shouldn't be things built into the map which inherently make lag/hit glitches more likely to happen, or things that disrupt gameplay heavily like water fights do. However, I disagree with the rest of your points. Copy-pasted spawns certainly aren't anything new to Prison, and I personally don't mind the look. I love Rexy's point on the U-shape, and think it's a big step in the right direction for Prison PvP. The vegetation is also fine in my opinion, although I wouldn't mind if the small palm trees around the PvP mine were removed and replaced with the same trees on the mountains
     
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  7. ImRex

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    Agreed. Although I don’t think he meant that the copy/paste thing is new, rather it just looks like they were “lazy” about building the map. I still disagree with that and I think the new map will be super amazing. I am just still worried about those lakes. They are going to be real annoying for PvP haha.
     
  8. Alansar_trignot

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    It’s smaller.....
     
  9. BlockyBeach

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    Feedback on the new map:
    -Smaller than Season 7's PvP area - WHY? This allows people to 11v1 people easier...
    -U-Shaped - the ends will be chokepoints...
    -Lakes - I'll start counting how many times I get stuck and shot in there.
    -Slabs and sugarcane - lag and blockhits are two things I really dont like!
    -General terrain - maybe not just a generally flat PvP area, hills and trees (climbable) for next time?
    -What is with that lava...
    The map looks much better than Season 7 however, so thats ok.
    Have a nice day!
     
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  10. AlexMarkey

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    Thank you for the feedback everyone =]

    We are committed to fixing up any issues that arise, we do urge however that you check it out in person before suggesting some things (For example the lake is covered in glass, just the render makes it look all shiny and reflective, simply because that looks nicer in the image).

    That being said, feedback is always appreciated.
     
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  11. ImRex

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    That makes me feel better haha. Covered the lake with glass. And I do see what you’re saying. We haven’t actually played the game on it yet so we can’t really criticize it. Also, hi Alex :)
     
  12. Spiriten

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    Even without a look, I do have to say, first impressions matter. So far it is not the best.
     
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  13. abbs

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    Personally i don't agree that this should be considered a "First impression" as you're only taking it at face value. What we have seen is a screen shot of the map from a far and really should not be judged too harshly until an in depth look can be taken. I do agree it's slightly disappointing but there's always room for improvement and it could be very different in game to the view point in the screen shot. Over all i'd save any major criticism for after you have explored the map fully as it may be very different in game :)

    Thanks for reading ~
     
  14. Spiriten

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    At this point theres many things map wise you can tell though. Inconsistent themes (hellish spawn, palm tree beachy area, foresty pine side land), obvious use of worldpainter and no adjustments for the sides (notice the 1 grass block tall layering ontop of the stone), spots where the walls reach pretty low meaning it may be able to be escaped, slabs used consistently, huge chokepoints that will be used in 11v1s (well, knowing you you appreciate that), the sell sign and ladders closer to the warp pvp jump (meaning you will most likely get hit in more and itll be harder to get out when its a pit) and almost even looks like a structure right infront of the mine. all of these are massive changes and while some may not effect gameplay are not professional. if mccentral wants to be the "#1 Minecraft Server" its gotta address these things and make a spawn thats good. also, btw, its very annoying to read black on a black background, almost as annoying as listiening to you ingame.
     
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  15. abbs

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    Lmao that's cute. 1st, who said that mcc is trying to be the number 1 minecraft server? Second, i do agree that the themes are muddled but you are being rather harsh with out even seeing the build yourself in game.

    Also when you say i'll appreciate the huge "Choke point" as you put it, are you insinuating that i 11v1 people? because if you are then trust me when i say that can be arranged if you would like? I prefer to have a fair 1v1 but if you want to accuse me of something i don't do i will happily make an exception for you!

    Hope you have a lovely day/night, thanks for reading! x
     
  16. Spiriten

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    cant even tell what you wrote Abbs, ima assume you just agreed. if you wanna chat, please use a readable font color man. "Lmao 1st second also choke point because I hope"
     
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  17. abbs

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    Not my fault you're blind :)
     
  18. Alansar_trignot

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    Hey Alex! Idk where else I could say this where you would see, but since you replied here, ima say something.
    Thank you so much for making this server possible, it is a wonderful place to relax, and despite people not really liking the new season, I think it’s perfectly fine since I do not do PVP at all, only Skywars and stuff.
    Your the best and I wish you the best! Thank you again!
    Your player
    -Alansar_trignot
    P.S: Keep up the great work!
     
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  19. Cha11enger

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    It's not my fault I can't see shades

    Firstly I'd like to say Spiriten did go a little hard on the map, but he still made valid points, as in the sell sign is a 50/50 really, it can be very bad or very good. Secondly the choke point matter would make the huge chases anti-climatic (11v1s are only funny change my mind). Thirdly first impressions mean a lot, sure if you judge a book by it's cover there'd be no point in reading, but in this case it looks like some aspects of game play are very very harmed and could ruin a lot of fights.


    Finally Spiriten was most certainly insinuating that you 11v1, if you had to ask that and weren't being sarcastic then I'd recommend taking a nap.
     
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