Teaming on Hackers in SSW

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by olo_YT, May 24, 2020.

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Should you be able to team on Hackers in SSW?

  1. Yes

  2. No

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  1. olo_YT

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    Hello everyone!
    In this post I am asking for all of your opinions and thoughts on the topic, and staff, if you could clarify whether or not this would be allowed that would be great.
    So, I would like to know whether or not you think teaming on a hacker in solo skywars is acceptable?
    As you all probably know, the hacker situation in sw right now is irritating to say the least.
    So imagine this scenario:
    there are three players left, including yourself and a hacker. The hacker has clearly been flying around the map. Would it be ok for you and the other remaining player to team on the hacker?
    If you could post your thoughts on this, that would be great.
    olo YT
     
  2. No, it's not allowed nor their should be such future rule!

    Why? At this point, I can team with a guy, and kill players, after I get banned for teaming I can say "But they all were hacking", how would you prove that? Not only that, but some people aren't experience enough to tell hacks apart, and may be confused with reach, kill aura, anti-knockback, and critics.

    Same with swearing rules, you still cannot swear at user whether they are hacking or not, so in this logic you cannot do the same for hacker. Hacker still is a player (unfair one), and rules dis-allow you to team with other players on another player.

    You can all shoot the hacker from your islands (not together) at mid (where the hacker is chilling), but all coming together, into one area and 3 v 1 (hacker). Isn't allowed nor should be a rule (allowed one.) Like I stated above "this new rule can easily be abused." Also I still have no idea how 3 or 2 can take down 1 hacker that flys? When I was in mid with 4 people who all e-pearl, a hacker just flew, and killed us all with his multi-aura, and reach. So theirs no point having a 3 v 1 hacker (since they got legit advantages over us.

    This is all my opinion!

    ~Thanks!
     
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  3. iZyro

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    Hey, I agree that the amount of hackers in solo skywars can be annoying and ruins gameplay, however no matter how annoying it can be rules are rules, and breaking them will result in a punishment, even if the player you are committing the offence on is breaking a more severe rule themselves. MCC needs to be strict on the rules they have in place, so I don't think its a good idea for them to allow any exceptions, such as the one you have suggested, not to mention the effects this could have on other minigames such as cakewars, would cross teaming on a hacker be acceptable in this minigame as well, or would it be only acceptable in skywars? I don't think this would be as successful as you think, and it would likely do more harm then good in the long run.
     
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  4. Simplistiq

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    Hey,

    As other players are dating hit rules are rules, you shouldn’t break them no matter the circumstances. I see the frustration of hackers in ssw. You shouldn’t break the rules on other people that are breaking the rules (hackers). And in my opinion this doesn’t make sense. For me -1. There is no reason to team in hackers in my opinion.

    Thanks,
     
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  5. forgranted

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    Hey there.
    I understand how annoying hackers are in games and that it almost impossible to beat them. However, if you want hackers to stop breaking rules, you can't break another rule just to beat them. "Two wrongs make a right." actually it doesn't. You would just add on to problems already in the server unfortunately. And your example said final 3. What if there is 4 or more players left? You can't just team on the hacker and then kill everyone who just helped, without causing some type of problem. Sorry, but this is a -1 for me.
    Best of luck!
     
  6. Prismane

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    It would just be like using hacks against a hacker. Both are rule breakers, there for none should be compared next to themselves. I understand the amount of frustration Hackers give or any rule breakers, but we can never resort to doing the same punishable things.
     
  7. Elecctricc

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    I like the ingenuity and community involvement of this topic against a centralised threat to the network, however teaming on hackers should never be done, we will still punish for teaming because while yes, cheaters do have a unfair advantage over legitimate players, teaming still provides an unfair advantage to those legitimate players.

    Furthermore who's to say that after players get banned for teaming, that they appeal saying "we thought there was a hacker" - when in reality they are just lying to come back.

    I don't really see an actual use other than confusion for this suggestion.

    Just my thoughts:)
     
  8. Cessie2u

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    Hey!

    My position is mixed on this topic. So, I am going to list below my reasoning both "for" and "not"

    For:

    -The problem with cheaters hasn't gotten better but rather worse
    -It ruins every game having someone fly from island to island

    Not:

    -Who's to say that 3 of your friends and you play and the remaining 8 players are "hacking"
    -If they are cheating and reported, which they may be, they are banned on that account. They may have many alt accounts, but at the end of the day if they continue wasting their alts, they'll decide that enough is enough.
    -Blatant hacks such as flying will not be effected by 3 people, in fact when you're all together it gives him/her a better advantage.


    But at the end of the day, this rule will not get changed. But DONT ATTEMPT IT! If you team kill a hacker, it drops you to the same level that they are. Take the higher-road. By that, I mean grab evidence, file a report and let those in charge take care of it from there. Some things are better left untouched.


    This is going to have to be a -1 for me.

    Hopefully (sooner than later) MCC will receive a better anti-cheat. Theoretically, once that is implemented, this will no longer be of concern.


    I hope this correspondence finds you well.


    Cessie2u
     
  9. Wan Yeet

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    Just from a players standpoint, I honestly don't see anything wrong with doing this. A lot of people in this chat have been saying that you could just "claim" that someone was hacking, but they were not hacking at all and get teamed on. It shouldn't be too hard to see if someone was actually hacking or not, and it would be fairly easy to tell those that are saying that people were hacking that they weren't and that they will serve their ban time for teaming. To say that this would also be a rule breaker and that players should not do it is that same as saying we are allowing the hackers to do whatever they want.
    Besides, who is to say that someone is teaming, likewise in the scenario above. Who is going to report them for teaming, the hacker? Also, if a hacker is to be clearly flying or any other hacks, then it is most likely that they will not win the fight regardless of them trying, so let them try anyways. How I see it is that if players aren't allowed to do this, then they are just going to team with the hacker instead and farm wins or credits off of them, which then nobody would really be able to tell since the hacker could just NOT fly to their base, or just NOT come into interaction with them.
    I feel like this would be a good rule to have, and if not, then it just feels like we are giving more power to the hackers then having change to win against them. Plus, for saying that its like using hacks against hacks, um, no? Lets be honest, this wouldn't be the first time people have teamed in ssw, neither with it hacking. Hacking is far more worse than just teaming. But, I highly do doubt that they would implement this into the rules, but you got my vote for it. (also, I feel that swearing is more disrespectful than just trying to team someone, that's why cursing at a hacker isn't allowed).
     
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  10. yungjunior

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    I've done this countless times with members of a big party but only when it's just him. There's no need for a clear answer on whether it should be allowed or not. Hackers aren't going to submit a video of you teaming in which they are blatantly hacking. That's a suicide mission. However there is always a possibility that someone is spectating and going to report you.

    Team on hackers at your OWN risk! You can't appeal a punishment for a rule you have actually broken. There is always a chance that someone isn't even recording to report you, but if you're caught teaming on a hacker in their video, you're going to get punished too!

    I definitely am mixed about this. I think its morally acceptable as hackers are scum and ruin the fun but I don't see how you shouldn't be punished for breaking a rule. -1 from me.
     
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  11. Atohmic

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    Teaming shouldn't be allowed to be done even on hackers, because if you make the mistake then your in the wrong it just isnt a good idea in my opinion
     

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