The appeal needs change

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  1. fajoszz

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    So, recentely my friend got banned, and him make a appeal, showing all and proving him was legit. But same that, the mod don´t unban him full, and i went ask to another mods and srmods, to explain me, and they say me the appeal ONLY can accepted full IF u are recording in the moment (game) the staff banned you. But to this, u need basicaly record ALL GAMES, and this is totaly unfair and wrong. Because, isn´t everyone have a good computer to record all games and store they. So i want made a sugestion to change that. Is alot simple in the true, if you got banned for [W] you need record at the same moment you are banned, don´t close minecraft, just start record and show all, thats way is alot more fair. Because if you got banned wrong, and you weren't recording the ban game, you can just record u screen, showing logs, mods, versions, modifications dates, and that way you can be unbanned even if you weren't recording in the exact game you got banned. That's a lot fairer than just unbanned if you recorded the exact moment you got banned. I hope you agree with me and help me get this message across to the administrators for they can change it. Because unfortolly, alot of legit players are banned incorrect and can´t be unbanned full because this rule, thank you.
     
  2. Cxrtr

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    Hey fajoszz.

    This system is in place because we cannot trust whether you were cheating or not during the time of your ban. You could be cheating one game, then relog and be legit the next, and showing the game without your client on simply doesn't prove anything.

    If this were to change, players could just record themselves playing legit, and then use that as "evidence" that they weren't cheating, which I hope you can understand just doesn't make sense.
     
  3. fajoszz

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    As i said, the player would have to show the .minecraft, logs, times of the last modifications of the logs, in order to prove if it was legit or not. It is not fair to harm everyone by someone mistake, for the player to be totally unbanned would have to make such requirements.

    *Haven't closed minecraft (prove this by showing logs and log changes)

    * Open .minecraft in video and show logs, versions, mods without any video editing.

    * record the video within max 5 minutes after being banned, after which it would be totally rejected (if banned by [W])

    If these steps were followed correctly, and the player were fully legit and shown this on his screen, he should be unbanned full.
     
  4. iluvu

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    This does not account for:
    External GCs / clickers
    Clickers period
    Clients (hidden GUI)
    Forge clients with correct filesize
    Anything with self destruct
    File modification in appropriate areas
    etc.
    I do not believe that staff will ban you without a screenshare unless you are blatantly cheating, so you should probably consider seeing if he was cheating after all (and a screenshare while not foolproof can most definitely determine 99% of cheats depending on the capabilities of the sser). Your friend can go through the traditional appeal process if this was actually a false ban (or potentially wait for it to expire if it's not permanent), because the method you suggest would absolutely be abused through the multiple loopholes it has to ensure that anyone with a decent cheat will not be banned for it, as the anticheat will certainly not take them out.
     
  5. fajoszz

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    The problem is that, him made a appeal and don't got unbanned full because him don't was record the game when get banned. Him got banned and in the same moment, him start record him appeal, this is alot unfair, how can i record something if i don't know what will happenen, appeal need changes but need rules too, and if the player don't follow the rules, him appeal will be denied.
    And this rule only work for hackers: bhop, killaura, antikb, fly, speed, scarffold. Hackers what need SS, don't count in my sugestion, because to ban autoclicker for exemple, you need SS.
     
  6. iluvu

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    yeah and they do screenshare when it is necessary? My point was that the cheat was blatant enough that they did not need to SS, so the whole point ur trying to make here is invalid as you shouldn't be banned in the first place without an SS if you aren't blatant. A proper appeal will at the least get the staff asked what the person was banned for, and if it really was false, by then it should be cleared up. What you are proposing allows for a multitude of ways in which cheaters can circumvent the ban process entirely.
     
  7. Ktassium

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    dont cheat then u wont need to appeal
     
  8. fajoszz

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    My point is because, with this actual rule, if a player play skywars i'm basically need to record ALL GAMES because if i got banned, i don't will unban because i don't recorded the game (map), what i went banned, understand how this is unfair?
     
  9. fajoszz

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    I would love for that to be reality but you should know that even being legit, take ban :(
     
  10. xBenz

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    Hey!

    If you are on Windows, you have the option to enable replay record. This option will automatically record the last 30 seconds of your gameplay for you. So let's say you get banned and you are on the kick screen, you can use the keybind and it will provide a video of you in-game (legit) which you can use as evidence.

    As for the logs / MC Folder, those can be easily edited. I might NOT close Minecraft and remove any unwanted files. (Thus we do not accept screenshots or videos of your Minecraft folders as proof)

    Nowadays, Moderators+ are required to record more non-blatant hacks such as Kill Aura, AntiKB, Reach and Criticals. If your friend was not banned for those reasons, then it was most likely a more blatant hack like movement hacks which are hard to false ban for.
     
  11. fajoszz

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    So if I get banned for Killaura (for example), the moderator must have recorded me supposedly using hacking, right?
     
  12. xBenz

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    Correct and they are required to show you it (Unless if its a report then you cannot see the evidence)
    Note: We only keep evidence for 7 Days, after that you won't be able to see it
     
  13. xStrafings

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    Also if staff are unsure they will normally screen share first.
     
  14. fajoszz

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    in skywars, they can´t freenze :(
     
  15. xStrafings

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    they need to fix that make a new thread about it
     

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