Chat Rules are a bit dumb

Hiya, I can see some good points that you made. I wanted to say 1 thing about it though. Even when people say "Fuck", they aren't using it as way to talk about someone else(most of the time), just to let out some anger. In the potential case where they use it in the other way of it, as you stated in "Fuck" can mean even worse than "S*x".", that would be punishable for explicit convo.
Again, I can see some really good points in this "rant", just wanted to point out how staff deal with people cursing in a bad manner.

 

Although I agree that the server can improve a lot I do not agree with your points.
The server in general is the most toxic server I have ever seen in my life.
A lot of players, especially the high levels who can't stand to lose, have already harassed my / msgf countless times, why? There is no mute, honestly this is the only mute rules that I do not understand, it seems that unintentionally, the server encourages it to be toxic. The guy arrived at my msgf and said, man you are a retarded son of a *****, monkey, Loser, shitload of things, and it wasn’t mute, I think that should change, if you advertise in msgf it generates perm mute, I don’t understand why don’t mutE by ./msgf too, after all it is already proven that you can YES see messages by / msgf.
it implies that you do not change because you don’t want to, but as I don’t know I just presented the fact without stating my opinion and I hope for an answer.
Regardless of the answer, I hope it corrects this "breach in the middle of the rules in a forthcoming update, there are children who play this game, and it happened to me, and I dont really care , but if it happens to my younger brother, what do you think would happen?

 

Hi there,

The easiest way to prevent getting "muted for extremely dumb reasons" is to follow the chat rules. They are laid out very clearly on the website and it is the responsibility of every user to read and understand these rules. Senior Moderators, Moderators, and Helpers do not create the chat rules, we only enforce the ones decided upon by the Admins an Owners. We have no say in the rules. Complaining that you were muted for a "dumb reason" or complaining about a specific rule or specification of a rule to staff members or to the forums really does nothing. Instead, I would suggest contacting an admin or someone actually in charge of the rules with your specific grievances and I am sure they can explain to you why each rule is structured and enforced the way that it is.

Hope this helps.
Have a lovely day :)

 

Hey there bud. So I feel like the basic logic that you have from this post is this: you don't like rules and you got muted because of it. Well hate to break it to you, every server has rules. Some rules may be more strict then others, but rules are what keeps a server running (aside from the coding). I really like these kind of discussions though, so let us begin shall we. :)

I understand what you mean how the F word is not blacklisted on the server, and how it does have more than one meaning when it comes to saying it. However like DarkBeastPro said, people use the F word for other reasons just out of rage. If we blacklisted it on the server, and people bypass it in anger, then the amount of mutes that take place would increase. I've seen people already spell it differently, whether it is without the U, or without the C, people still spell it incorrectly even though it isn't blacklisted. So there is no need to blacklist it on the server, just because the amount of mutes would increase and that would cause player base to complain a bunch more.

I understand that there is a plugin that doesn't allow people to MASS spam. However, there is still a chance that people are able to bypass it. Hence why we have the spam/chat flood rule. Spam is technically 3 messages by itself, so it isn't that bad. However, Chat Flood is typically more severe then spam because it would be 5 or more messages. However, we do have acceptations for Chat Flood occasionally. If you are just having a convo with someone else ingame, and you have proper proof of it, then just appeal the mute, show your proof, and it'll most likely be removed from your punishment history. Trust me, I've seen it happen before. I do agree that the plugin should be tweaked a little bit when it comes to that sort of rule, however there are things that you can do if something like this were to happen.

I personally don't think that this is that soft if I'm being entirely honest. I'm gonna be real with you, I have never heard of this "touching electrical wires challenge" and even if it is a joke that you made with someone, it still is a serious matter. I have been told stories of people who have accidentally KILLED themselves by touching a wire and electrocuting themselves. I did some research on this challenge, and if I'm gonna be honest, I didn't find that much. I only found a 7 second video of a man stupidly spitting his hands and then touching an ACTIVE WIRE and the wire proceeded to explode. I guarantee you that man could've gotten second or third degree burns from that, so that sounds like self harm to me. So, if you tell someone to do that said challenge, whether it is a joke or not, it is not tolerated on here. Like I said, people have died from getting electrocuted and it isn't something that should be taken as a joke. If I personally saw that, I would mute right away.

I hope you get a better understanding about these situations because it seems to me that you just blame the staff members for doing their jobs, however they have a lot more knowledge about the rules then you would. If you want to know more about them, you know where they are. Have a great day :D

 

I don't want my favorite christian minecraft server for people cursing1!!!!1111!!

 

If you have those words ingrained into your vocabulary, you need to fix that. As you mentioned those words are blocked bc they are more often than not used in a sexual context. Consider a lot of kids under the age of 12 play Minecraft and you'll see why the chat filter is a thing. Bypassing the chat filter is a short mute (ranging from 30 mins - 3 days) so I don't see why you can't appeal and just wait. If you intentionally choose to bypass the chat filter, you also are liable to punishment.

I see what you are trying to say here, but it's no excuse to break a rule. Chat flooding is usually defined as 5 short messages in <30 seconds. Should the chat cooldown be increased to 7 seconds to fix this, or should people just take the consequences for breaking chat rules? Filling up the chat with a lot of messages in a short time period is annoying and is never needed, so unless you're doing something like that intentionally, you should be fine. Use your judgement.

So you were misunderstood. It happens. The best way to go about it is to appeal and explain the situation, and making a forums post on the topic doesn't help your case much. I can understand why you might not like the rule (I proposed it forever ago in 2019 lol) but it was put into place bc telling someone to kill themselves is a crime, and you shouldn't be doing that to anyone, period. There's no excuse for that, and if you don't want to be lumped in with that type of sentiment in the future, I encourage you to be clearer when you're talking about this stuff. If I just saw you tell someone to touch some electrical wires I would consider it encouraging self-harm too.

Staff members on this thread have already mentioned only the Admins and Owners have the power to make and change rules. Kids are still on this server, whether you want to admit it or not. If you think the moderator's response was insufficient I encourage you to bring it up with a Senior Moderator or Admin, as mentioning it in this post will do no good for anyone. Just use common sense, good judgement and you will be fine.

The first mute for a sev 1 chat offence (which includes filter bypass) is 30 minutes, so people in that scenario will survive. Again, it's on the end user to read the rules before they play the server, and the staff can't bend the rules for every person.

I touched on this above.

Unrelated links is a rule you should be aware of, as it's been in place for just about 3 years now. Again, I can see where you're coming from, but mutes have to be issued if a person is CRed because they aren't always online to get warned, and I would argue they may be evading doing such a thing in front of a staff member. Regardless, follow the rules, use common sense and you'll be just fine!